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New international students taking lunch between Danish courses in August 2011. If the Danish business lobby group DE could have its way, this course would be more comprehensive
Students visiting Denmark from abroad, should be legally required to learn Danish during their stay in the country. This is the latest proposal from the Danish Chamber of Commerce, DE, which represents and lobbies for the Danish business sector, according to Seven59.dk and dr.dk.
The organisation is concerned about the high numbers of students, who simply leave the country once their studies are over.
The controversial proposal comes after wider discussions on Denmark’s pressing need for skilled professionals from abroad. Learning Danish will strengthen students’ ability to get a job, as well as integrating them into the society’s culture, according to head of marketing at DE, Søren Friis Larsen.
The proposal has met opposition from the University of Copenhagen, who take in more than 2,000 international students every year.
»Denmark is in no way first choice for students, due to its climate, language and costs, and we must not put up any further barriers,« says John E. Andersen, head of the International Office at the University of Copenhagen.
Minister of Education Morten Østergaard will not support the proposal on similar grounds. He says at the same time however that international students nevertheless should be encouraged by their institutions to take up learning Danish.
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I don't think the comments of DE and the increase in English in academic teaching is a contradiction. DE exactly wants both. Of course they need a workforce that is trained in English on a level where they can also read and compose hard technical texts, since Denmark has an export oriented economy and companies don't want to spend money on extra English courses for their employees.
On the other hand the economy is doing well and there is little unemployment. Marx already noted 150 years ago that it is not in the interest of the capitalists to have low unemployment since it keeps wages up. For ages, one way to get this problem under control was to get workers from abroad to put pressure on the labor market. Of course the danish economy is in need of skilled workers, so it is a good idea to have people com to study here in order to have them benefit from the good education system. Now the problem is that many companies will still prefer the Danes amongst other reasons for the language. That's why they consider the students leaving a "loss" though this is of course for reasons Sorin points out in his comment, which is th mainstream idea also largely shared in society, academia and politics all over the world.
They should know though, that this won't help much. I don't know how the numbers are in Denmark, but in my home country Germany, it is a big problem that the highly educated second generation immigrant Germans, who are fluent in the German language and culture (as well as their parents') and thus could be the greatest assets to German society, leave the country because they can't stand the daily racism.
If so, nobody would come to Denmark to study, since there are much better choices out there with huge job markets and even easer residency and citizenship rules.
I am wondering how come universities in Denmark boast on having 30-40% of courses in English, and even trying to increase the percentage, but Danish Chamber of Commerce DE tries to make Danish Mandatory. Is not it a conflict between academic society and industry? Danish is not a language to be used anywhere else than Denmark, therefore many students consider learning it a waste of time since they are not sure if they will stay in Denmark after their study. Not many students take it, even though Danish courses are available for free for three years.
Foreign students do not study for free:
1- Requirements for EU students are the same in EU countries including Denmark; therefore Danish students studying in other EU countries benefit the same as EU students studying in Denmark.
2- non-EU students pay to study or get a scholarship to do so, which means in an unequal competition they get scholarships merely because of their competencies.
If foreign students were a waste of money for a country, neither Denmark nor any other countries would bother to have them so.
I have a suggestion for Danish Chamber of Commerce DE: it would be much more effective and reasonable to attract the students’ interest to learn Danish and to contribute to Danish society than forcing them to do so (nobody wants to be a slave); otherwise Denmark will lose the worldwide competition over top brains to the other countries.
The problem is, neither the University, nor the Ministry of Education, not DE can change the mentality here. The general inhospitality towards foreigners is, in my opinion due to specific dynamics in a comparatively small country and can only be resolved through becoming further civilized in the western world and possibly stronger Pan European thinking. It's not only in Denmark, if you have a German license plate in Switzerland for instance, you are in significantly higher risk of getting your tires sliced.
It is true that this has nothing to do with foreigners not being able to speak danish, since some Danes of non danish heritage, how we might call them if politically correct, or non white Danes to be precise have the same problem.
Whatever the reasons behind mandatory danish courses might be (DEs are for sure not altruistic), I think they would make the stay for most foreigners better. Most of the students come with the plan to learn danish, then don't go beyond an intro course for all the obvious reasons, but later regret it, because they are not as involved in student live and end up hanging out with other foreigners.
So if the MoE or KU have a chance to make the stay for exchange students better, it is worth considering.
I pay the same taxes as all the danes but I do not have the same rights. Totally understandable when DK is a capitalist country based on fascist and discriminatory policy.
If so, you definitely won't get the bests. The bests go somewhere to spend their time and energy on their work/education than facing barriers/challenges like language.
One simple question: Why should I come there if I have the chance to go somewhere else? Then you end up getting only the ones had no other choices than being "FORCED" to learn Danish.
I have no problem with making it mandatory for the international skilled workers coming just to work, but that doesn't make sense to me to "force" the international students to do so. It's somehow discrimination, too: International students end up spending time and energy on something that Danes won't! This way, you indirectly help the Danish students to become more competent. That is NOT right!
[I've been in Danish system for more than 6 years. I've been representing PhD students at Life, KU, in the board of PhD studies. I've been also representing PhD students in Denmark at the student board of NOVA-UN, Nordic countries. Based on my experience, I strongly tell you: this proposal is the most dumb thing I've ever heard!]
Danish should be obligatory indeed. Cause now it is a loss for Denmark to teach them all for free and let them go.
I think you are mistaken. Education is not free for international students. For internation students EU pays or they pay themselves. I, for example, have paid for my education in Danmark. Why you should tell me what to do? I think it is shoul be optional. If someone is interested to learn more about DK, he/she should have such option.
How about those who pay? 15 hours out of each week to work because they get no SU and have to pay themselves for their studies, books, and all living cost and + spend hours for learning Danish? It would be not smart for Denmark to make Danish mandatory as there are many other countries in Europe (and in the world) that are much cheaper and much more foreigner-friendly! Find another way to attract educated people to Denmark, in this way you will only scare them away.
First of all, Danish people can also go in any other Eu country and study for free, without being forced to learn the language. Denmark is not this place where everyone wants to come to educate themselves on the account of the welfare state.
Second, in one or two years one does not learn enough Danish to be able to work in a Danish-only company. Foreigners do not have the same access to jobs in this country not because of the language, but because of the mentality that foreigner= second class citizen. You pay the same taxes and get less in return. Of course people leave after their studies. You cannot find meaningful jobs here.... well, as a young, educated person you have a whole world to choose from.
I personally know a lot of people who left because they were unable to find jobs, not because they were unable to speak the language. They wanted to stay in Copenhagen, but not at all costs.
1- Give me a job, I stay. You didn't let me go! I left because there were no job in that country for me.
2- You didn't teach me for free. I worked for your country like every other Dane and internationals, paid my taxes, and never used your welfare. Watch your words PLEASE!
3- International graduates leaving your country is not all about the education you give them. After graduation, even if they leave, in any country they go, the very first place they contact to use their Network is Denmark. It benefits your society, economy, science and many other stuff.
I totally agree that Denmark should try more to keep international students here once they finish their studies. But why choose such a restrictive (and unheard of) measure like making Danish mandatory? As an economics student, I am a firm believer in the power of incentives. Offer them clear and appropriate incentives and students will take up Danish lessons. Keep in mind I said clear incentives, not just "encouragement".
Let's face it, Danish is hard. Most of the students that take up Danish seriously (not just the fun pre-semester Danish course offered by the university) are those that have a clear plan of staying here afterwards. Those who are undecided about their future see few reasons to start Danish while doing their study here, so when time comes to make a decision, they would probably return home, since it's extremely hard to enter the Danish labour market without knowing the language (as it should be, we can't expect Danes to adopt English just because of us).
In the end, it all comes to this: If the government is serious about attracting foreign talent then it should focus more on foreign students learning at Danish universities. It would be much harder to attract a young graduate of other good universities than to retain someone who lived here, knows what the country has to offer and is acquainted with its people and society. If that person already knows Danish, then mission accomplished.
If this is not a priority, no problem. Then each foreigner should assess better his or her own priorities and decide whether he or she plans to stay in Denmark after graduation. But then, don't complain if many of them choose not to...
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